Curse

fivetiger · Jul 14, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

I see that nearly everyone includes [eremites attack] and [mystic sweep] in their Dervish builds, but I seem to do just fine without them. Maybe I'm missing something.

I should mention that this is for PvE, and I only have the Nightfall campaign, which I'm not that far into.

Here is the build I'm currently using:
[build prof=D/W myst=13 scyt=12][avatar of [email protected]][eternal aura][heart of holy [email protected]][pious [email protected]][zealous [email protected]][chilling [email protected]][heart of [email protected]][mystic [email protected]][/build]
When I need to break a blocking stance (such as the Kournans guarding the Avatar skills), I'll replace [chilling [email protected]] with [wild blow].

I use the skills pretty much in that order.
1) Run into the middle of the group and fire off [eternal aura] and [heart of holy [email protected]].
2) Quickly hit one of them with [pious [email protected]], which not only DWs it, but rends [heart of holy [email protected]], setting the whole group on fire, which is an extra 56 damage over the 4 sec.
3) Depending on the situation, I'll either go for more area damage with [zealous [email protected]] and [chilling [email protected]], or switch to [heart of [email protected]] and [mystic [email protected]] if I'm taking too much damage.

I know it seems very heavy on the evergy usage, but I really haven't noticed too much of a problem. I think by the time all those area skills hit for big damage, the subsequent clean-up doesn't require too much effort. Also, I sometimes pick up the +20 energy from Lyssa's Muse at the altar.

Other than the energy usage, are there other reasons why [eremites attack] and [mystic sweep] might improve this skill bar? I'm still learning, so let me know anything that could help. Thanks.

Ben-A-BoO · Jul 14, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by fivetiger

I see that nearly everyone includes [eremites attack] and [mystic sweep] in their Dervish builds, but I seem to do just fine without them. Maybe I'm missing something.

It's the activation time of both of the skills that makes them favorable for any builds that rely on spike damage rather then pressure. So does [protector's strike], even if you only do +10 conditinal damage, you still get a fast follow up hit off.

You don't wanna wait for the next auto-attack to take the last bit of health from your foe and 'ensure' a kill. They practically increase your attack speed.

Two other skills can be mentioned that are (more or less stable in dervish bars): [wild blow] and [Malicious Strike] which are favored on dervish bars to ensure the high critical hit damage of the rather huge damage range of the scythe. The stance remove is more a side effect of wild blow rather then the reason to include it.

horseradish · Jul 15, 2008, 12:20 AM // 00:20

If you're running [Avatar of Lyssa] you HAVE to bring Mystic/Eremites.

That way you have a much higher chance of triggering the big yellow numbers.

With any other elite skill, it's perfectly fine without...it is PvE after all.

cellardweller · Jul 15, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Without the fast attack skills, you're relying on dumb luck to hit activating skills with your avatar of lyssa. Using ermites/mystic/protectors allows you to aim for skill enemy activations and send your dps through the roof.

Darkside · Jul 15, 2008, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by fivetiger

Other than the energy usage, are there other reasons why [eremites attack] and [mystic sweep] might improve this skill bar? I'm still learning, so let me know anything that could help. Thanks.

The reason those attacks are used, particularly with a Lyssa build, is because Avatar of Lyssa has that + to damage to foes activating skills. With fast activating attacks like mystic sweep, eremites attack, and protector's strike you can strike a foe several times while it's activating a skill and take him down much faster. Where as if you were using a normal attack you might only strike him once during the skill activation.

distilledwill · Jul 15, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Skills with a faster than normal activation time simulate an increased attack speed. This is particularly useful with a Lyssa build like yours as its meant to deal out as much damage in a short period of time.

Sirius-NZ · Jul 16, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Also, you should really consider using heart of fury more often.

The best way to maximise DPS, I suspect, is to use more attack skills rather than things like zealous renewal. That does maybe 40-odd AoE, but you can't really re-use it very fast, whereas if you had something like the aforementioned Wild Blow/Malicious Strike...

mrmango · Jul 16, 2008, 12:49 AM // 00:49

Use Aura of Holy Might instead of Heart of Holy Flame. And bring res instead of that gain health crap.